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carpe scrapum 
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12-19-13 01:41 PM - Post#4090952    

The country is abuzz over Phil Robertson's comment about same sex relationships. More specifically men's. I'm sure you heard. Anyway, I'm a huge fan of the show and everyone in it however I do have an opinion about this whole thing without getting controversial or political in any way.

While I do believe in freedom of speech as well as the right to choose how you live as long as you hurt nobody in the process, I also feel that there is certain responsibility to be diplomatic and thoughtful. Especially if you are a public figure. Much as most of us refrain from saying publicly our negative views of this or that, I believe Phil could have kept his opinions or beliefs to himself. Perhaps even state them in a less damning way. I like him and I will continue to watch the show. I don't think suspending him from filming is the answer but I didn't find his comments tactful or thoughtful. There is a certain level of ugliness in stating things with disdain for others' choices. I wish he didn't do that.

What say you. Don't flame me!!!!!! LOL

 
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12-19-13 03:24 PM - Post#4090960    
    In response to carpe scrapum

Well, I don't watch the show, and I don't know what the actual comments are, but

I think that once you choose to be in the public eye, you should be careful about what you say and how you say it.

I do believe that you have the freedom to have and state your opinion, but there are limits (yelling "fire" in a crowded place is not freedom of speech).

Also, I agree with A&E's right to remove him -- he is an employee, and as such, represents them. If he is not representing them they way they wish, they can terminate the relationship. I am assuming certain things about their contract.

And obviously, I have an opinion on the subject of the comments.

Edited by Beth Ann on 12-19-13 03:26 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
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12-19-13 03:29 PM - Post#4090962    
    In response to Beth Ann

That's exactly my point. I agree!

 
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12-19-13 05:01 PM - Post#4090964    
    In response to carpe scrapum

Am I a Negative Nellie if I think it was a publicity set-up all the way around?!!

 
scaredycat 
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12-19-13 05:34 PM - Post#4090968    
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Well, I have never heard of Phil Robertson and have never watched his show. In fact I don't even know what he has said to cause the uproar.

That said, I too believe that when you become a public figure/personality that you have to be more diplomatic in what you say. Of course there is freedom of speech and all that, but you can't condemn people and think it is ok.

 
3 Little Ladies 
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12-19-13 05:45 PM - Post#4090970    
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If you read the article that they are referring to he was quoting from the bible. It wasn't 'his' words. He also said that he loves all people as God does and doesn't judge. It's God's job to judge. He's just spreading the word. I don't think he should be punished for his beliefs. If you don't agree with Christian beliefs then that is your choice.

 
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12-19-13 09:20 PM - Post#4090984    
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  • 3 Little Ladies Said:
If you read the article that they are referring to he was quoting from the bible. It wasn't 'his' words. He also said that he loves all people as God does and doesn't judge. It's God's job to judge. He's just spreading the word. I don't think he should be punished for his beliefs. If you don't agree with Christian beliefs then that is your choice.



I agree with you


 
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12-19-13 09:27 PM - Post#4090986    
    In response to carpe scrapum

So - I don't usually participate in the controversial threads - but this has been on my mind all day.

Those who write filthy lyrics into their music are defended to the hilt. Those who tattoo filth on their bodies are defended to the max. Those who use the "N" word and the "F" word as a regular part of their vocabulary are defended. Those who develop outrageously violent video games are defended. The over the top dance acts that are so suggestive they make me blush are defended. All of these folks have a right to "free speech".

So - while I don't think one should be able to yell "FIRE" in a crowded room - I do think they should be able to express their opinions.

I will now slink off to my craft room and fashion myself a fireproof suit.

 
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12-19-13 09:49 PM - Post#4090988    
    In response to Gramma - Claudia

Jen, did you read his actual quote? I had no idea they used the V word and A word in the bible. Let me grab a link of exactly what he said. I still believe it was an ugly way of putting it.

 
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12-19-13 09:52 PM - Post#4090992    
    In response to carpe scrapum

Here is a link I found http://www.eonline.com/news/491955/duck-dyna sty-s-...

 
3 Little Ladies 
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12-19-13 10:07 PM - Post#4090994    
    In response to carpe scrapum

I was referring the sins he listed from the bible. I thought we were discussing his anti-gay comments and religious beliefs, not his own sexual preference.

 
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12-19-13 10:08 PM - Post#4090996    
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By the way girls I wanted to add that I'm very surprised at how I feel about it. I usually don't care about this kind of thing. I truly hope none of his grandchildren turn out to be gay, it would certainly be a sad thing to be shamed for being different. Life is too short.

 
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12-19-13 10:10 PM - Post#4090998    
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  • 3 Little Ladies Said:
I was referring the sins he listed from the bible. I thought we were discussing his anti-gay comments and religious beliefs, not his own sexual preference.



No, I was talking about his crude way of putting it. I'm nobody to talk about the bible because I never read it so I don't know. His choice of words were impolite, that's all.

 
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12-20-13 10:01 AM - Post#4091038    
    In response to carpe scrapum

His paragraph with the V word was a little weird!

 
3 Little Ladies 
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12-20-13 11:19 AM - Post#4091046    
    In response to rottiefan

I'll agree that particular paragraph was an overshare but the use of anatomically correct words does not bother me.

 
Judge Amy 
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12-21-13 09:23 AM - Post#4091094    
    In response to 3 Little Ladies

I think we should all be more direct and blunt (without being deliberately hurtful) in our words.
Currently, we are all so afraid of hurting someone's feelings that no one really knows the truth about another.
If we were all more truthful with our thoughts and feelings, we would all know where we stand with each other, we wouldn't be left wondering wth someone meant by that, and there would be much less double speak and fluff.
I prefer for someone to be straight up about things. You don't like the homosexual lifestyle? Ok, then that topic will probably be avoided. You like Vs? Ok, I'll probably avoid that topic with you also. You are grossed out by the color green? Great, but I'm not changing what I wear for you. We disagree on politics? Cool, we can still have a discussion or debate without getting mean or upset.

Now, that's not to say be rude in the bluntness. No, politeness is a must. But that hits everything else, too. But politeness and tact shouldn't dictate that you have to avoid saying what you believe, or having to say it in a nice way, so that you don't offend someone or hurt other's feelings.
We are entirely too easily offended.

Edited by Judge Amy on 12-21-13 09:24 AM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
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12-21-13 02:20 PM - Post#4091118    
    In response to Judge Amy

I do not watch the show and am have no affiliation to any religion. That said, I think he had a right to say what he wanted. It is free speech and I think we all have a right to our beliefs, even if I disagree with you.

I do think public figures SHOULD be more careful in what they say but then you could say that about other public figures too. One of our former presidents changed the definition of what "sex" is forever-just sit in a class of teens.

 
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