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RedSquirrel 
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09-30-12 05:08 PM - Post#4015354    

in church this morning with the music.

We are fortunate enough to have two churches in our parish: the one in town is the family-orientated modern one with a music group, and ours is more traditional. People can choose which style of service they prefer which I think is excellent for the oldies who don't want to change. But the management does insist on bringing these new songs into our worship.

I'm the youngest in the choir by about 25 years, maybe more. I'm the youngest in the whole congregation - there are no children at all. I actually like the modern songs, but they are written for guitars and a beat, to be sung in unison. They don't sit well with an organist in his 80s and a robed choir classically trained to sing 4-part-harmony. We can't do it, and it's embarrassing trying.

This morning was completely cringeable, and with the organist struggling noticeably, 1 soprano in tears, 2 more refusing to sing, and a much-needed bass who has said he won't be back until things change, I had to say something to the priest. Now I'm wondering whether I've got myself into hot water.

Life can be so difficult, can't it?

 
Kiwifarmer 
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09-30-12 05:19 PM - Post#4015356    
    In response to RedSquirrel

Oh......that's a pity....oldies dont like change do they? Hope the pastor can sort out the music to suit sooner rather later.

 
RedSquirrel 
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09-30-12 05:52 PM - Post#4015368    
    In response to Kiwifarmer

Well I don't regard myself as an oldie just yet (although I admit to loving the old hymns) but I just can't see the point of changing what we have, just for change's sake. At the moment the clergy are lucky enough to be able to offer a choice. People are happy with that, and it works. If they make both churches modern, they will lost the oldies in ours, but they won't gain any of the younger set because they all go to the other church anyway.

We had the same thing in Australia. They keep going on and on about modernising to attract new people, but new people aren't coming, and they are driving away the existing congregation. How is that economic sense, or any kind of sense?


 
kaleidoscope 
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09-30-12 07:16 PM - Post#4015388    
    In response to RedSquirrel

Maybe you need the Vicar of Dibley to bring more people back to church.

Yeah, if it ain't broke don't fix it!

 
RedSquirrel 
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10-01-12 01:53 AM - Post#4015424    
    In response to kaleidoscope

They already have a service for the animals in Australia - in fact it is next Sunday! 4th Oct is St. Francis of Assisi Day, he is patron saint of the animals. Last year they had dogs, a ferret, and a crazy escaped rabbit joined in from the house across the road. Baaaa-men!

 
hockeymom24 
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10-01-12 06:16 AM - Post#4015450    
    In response to RedSquirrel

we have a mix of old and new... We always make sure we have at least 1 if not 2 hymn type songs and a couple of the newer type songs that the younger families enjoy.

there will always be comments and people not happy, though.

 
carpe scrapum 
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10-01-12 07:26 AM - Post#4015466    
    In response to hockeymom24

It great that there are two churches to go for different styles. Why change the traditional one when you can just go to the other one? Seems silly especially when they have such a large population of elders in the congregation.

 
RedSquirrel 
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10-01-12 08:49 AM - Post#4015474    
    In response to carpe scrapum

Exactly. Our congregation stands at around 80 per week. Over 100 in the other church. That is enough to pay the bills. Why change a winning formula?

 
Kiwifarmer 
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10-01-12 03:24 PM - Post#4015580    
    In response to RedSquirrel

Exactly. The parishioners will be glad you have the gumption to explain their position.
My mum changed from their usual church to a new one when they changed to format of the service to modernise it. .... It's not uncommon..... Sadly

 
RedSquirrel 
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10-02-12 02:19 AM - Post#4015686    
    In response to Kiwifarmer

The organist is in his mid-80s, and with arthritis and 2 replaced elbows, his fingers aren't as nimble as they once were. If this carries on, I can see him and his wife (soprano in the choir) retiring. That would very likely mean the loss of the choir, since they/we are all very close, and it's not as if you can pick replacement organists off trees over here.

With no organist, the clergy will bring in a music group like the other church has, and bang, there will go the congregation. And me and DH.

Even if half of them find another church, that will still lost half the income from collections. It would be mad.

 
Kimberly M 
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10-02-12 10:45 AM - Post#4015738    
    In response to RedSquirrel

Our church has two services on Sunday morning and Sunday night. The early service is more modern with a praise team instead of a choir and typically the younger people come to that service. At the later time they do the traditional service. I realize not all churches are able to do that but it seems to keep most of the congregation happy.

 
scrappinmamma 
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10-02-12 12:42 PM - Post#4015764    
    In response to Kimberly M

Rosey, I'm glad that you said something. You are probably calmer that the rest and the church will probably be happy you did!

 
kaleidoscope 
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10-02-12 12:52 PM - Post#4015776    
    In response to scrappinmamma

Hopefully the priest will listen to what you said.

 
RedSquirrel 
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10-05-12 10:39 AM - Post#4016318    
    In response to kaleidoscope

Update.

We all know bad news travels fast. Well apparently this had got round the parish before lunchtime.

Last night at choir practise, the team priest came to visit us and to apologise profusely that the music had caused an upset. I hadn't realised this, but there is another traditional service at the other church as well, and they got the same music. He and his team have been besieged by calls from disgruntled congregation and choir members all week!

It will not happen again. He promised. He's so nice. (That's the guy whose father was the canon in my church when I was a child.) It was good of him to give up his time to come and reassure us. I'm glad that's sorted!

 
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